1. Hi,

    I read your article with interest and did some of my calculations and found a difference of opinion about how many kunai’s to use against a defence debuff rally.

    Lets say all defence research is done, so 20% DDR is automatic, each kunai is worth 30%. So 1 kunai = 150% DDR. 100/150 = 0.66. So using the 2000 Defence debuff example above that would be 1333%. 1 kunai = 667 defence.
    2 kunai = 100/180=0.55. 2000 * 0.55 = 1111. so 2 kunai is worth 888.88 defence or each kunai is worth 444.44 defence.
    3 kunai = 100/210=0.476. 2000 * 0.476 = 952. so 3 kunai is worth 1047.62 defence or each kunai is worth 349 defence.

    Just using those numbers above how many accessory cores do you know that can give you 349% defence, not many is the answer. The highest i’ve seen so far is 360%. But thats not the end of it because the kunai gives the following boosts:

    Troop defence bonus = 45%
    Troop health bonus = 35%
    Enemy troop attack debuff = 20%

    So is it right to argue that if 3 kunai’s were used, total defence gained would be 349.2 + 45 = 394.2 ? + health and attack debuff boosts…

    That seems like a better deal than wasting cores and pieces when a kunai is the better tool for the job.

    I may have gotten the wrong end of the stick but i’ll be interested to hear your comments.


    • Profile photo of Darkthorne

      The first kunai according to your math gives a higher boost than the next 2. Error in logic is taking three total and dividing by three and saying the third kunai provides same boost in defense as first. However, all this is a moot point as its been tested that each kunai provides straight 30% defense debuff resistance. Unfortunate that mz can’t calculate diminished returns…

  2. So is it right to argue that if 3 kunai’s were used, total defence gained would be 349.2 + 45 = 394.2 ? + health and attack debuff boosts…

    that section should of read per kunai

    • Profile photo of Darkthorne

      Under diminished returns formula each kunai would provide less benefit. However, recent testing proved there is no diminished returns in Game of War. Each kunai provides 30% defense debuff resistance. So 3 would be 90% reduction of enemy rally defense debuff. Add the 20% from research and you can completely zero enemy defense debuff no matter how large it is. Kind of lame that machine zone can’t calculate diminishing returns and will allow 3 items that cost next to nothing completely wipe out an infinite amount of debuff.

      • Paul

        Are you sure about 30% Kunai DDR stacking up to 90% for 3 pieces? Do we have any published test results to confirm and analyze?

        • Profile photo of Darkthorne

          Yes, a test showing the use of 1 Kunai, 2 Kunai, 3 Kunai vs. Poseidon showed that the addition of each Kunai lowered losses significantly. If my original diminished returns math were correct we’d have seen less benefit between Kunai 2 and Kunai 3 or a smaller % drop in losses. Perhaps even an increases in losses due to less overall Defense. Take a look at this post again as I updated it today with the test screenshot. Thanks again for your comment Paul.

  3. Profile photo of Adam

    Thanks for your interesting article. But, I am curious if you have done anything on countering an attack from an Nike core set? Am looking to craft a Defensive core set for a trap.


  4. TT

    I took an artemis hit today, I had over 800m troops. Less than 10:1 t2:t4 ratio thus more t4 than I expected. I had frost helm, weapon n one accessory, imperial feet n 2 daggers. Didn’t have imperial armor so I crafted a core which even haz better stats than that. I still lost big time(10m) troops. I had a total of 3000% defense with 2 kunai. Can you tell why I lost big time

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